they don't want to have happen to them what happened to general motors or chrysler. yothey make it less profitable r unions. as a result you get more invested and more jobs. jobs are one thing michigan definitely needs. lori: i agree. the unions would argue many of the freedoms, many of the advantages their workers enjoy her because of the lobbies and the history they have had, therefore the unions are deservedly deserve their dues. >> if you can persuade workers to give you their money, that is fantastic, that is your constitutional right. they should not be forced to pay dues to the union. 20% of union households in michigan support the right to work law. probably because there's a awful lot of union workers don't go there again the value worth of their dues or supports priorities. they should have a choice, that is their right. lori: we have seen unions lose membership, lot less clout than in generations past. how do you characterize the influence of unions right now? >> it is a competitive marketplace. up through the late 70s the detroit automakers headlock on th